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alwaysenduphere ([personal profile] alwaysenduphere) wrote2010-11-09 02:22 am

is this like meta or some shit?

So, inspired by anon meme, I posed the question to my twitter followers: Is Season 6 Sam much like Dexter?

Now, Dexter still have feelings and a soul. He intrinsically loves his sister, his wife, and his son, I agree with what [livejournal.com profile] crimsonkitty88 said, "Dex adores Deb even if he doesn't admit it. Sam just plain old doesn't feel it." You see that in his actions. But he doesn't really know HOW to feel these things. Sam, Sam I think knows he's supposed to, even knows HOW to feel these things, but just...can't.

[livejournal.com profile] foolishcalling had this to say.
I think Sam in some ways is worse off than Dexter. Dexter can at least still somewhat care for things - Harrison, etc. But I think Sam is just going through the motions, because he logically knows what he should care about, but can't. It's almost like they're mirror opposites, evolving in opposite directions. Dexter = getting better at caring about some things and Sam completely losing the ability to.

Me: I think the only thing Sam recognizes is that he needs to be at Dean's side.

She: The sad thing is, is that they got so fucked up over the last two seasons, I don't think he knows how to properly do it anymore.(...) Instead of pulling out all the mythology stuff, maybe focus a bit more on the psychological dynamics of their relationship.
...But not the constant woobie crying stuff that only seems to be whopped out at the end of every ep.


So that's what I want from this season, right there.

Wheeee. SAM'S SOUL IS SRS BSNS. Also someone write me this:
I still want a coda to 6.06 where that beat-down turns into angry sex, with Dean being desperate to make Sam feel something, anything, and the fists don't work, and he's so angry and frustrated and this is Sam but it isn't Sam, and all of Dean's careful reconstruction of himself as an ordinary man breaks down and he goes to the dark place.

Sam lets him, not out of ignorance or confusion, but because it doesn't hurt him, and it might help Dean. Sam's body responds, but he doesn't, can't, really feel any of Dean's pain, but maybe this is a way he can help, just a little. (whoever you were that requested this on the anon me, ILU)


Just food for thought.

Oh, also, new header image made for me by the wonderful [livejournal.com profile] twofourteen All my favorite dark!boys. <33 And a new layout to go with, because it'd been forever since I changed layouts and I couldn't handle the brown/black combo.
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TROLOLOLO BACK TO OMEGLE I GO. Or perhaps I will watch The Walking Dead now. Though it's a bit late for that.

[identity profile] foolishcalling.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
Glad I could sum it all up for you! Aha, but it looks ever so much neater and thought out when styled like that. Rather than me just rambling continuously on Twitter. XD

Absolutely agree with [livejournal.com profile] crimsonkitty88 as well. Dexter may rationalise everything, and compartmentalise everything in his attempt to appear perfectly normal, but I don't think he understands a lot of the stuff he does actually feel, or otherwise believes it to be something else because he's so used to being different, and having that reinforced by Harry - figments or no. He definitely cares about the people in his life, he just doesn't know what to do with it.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I just needed to get it all in one paragraph because it totally made sense!

I've only seen the first season of Dexter and a few other episodes here and there, so I'm only working with half a picture of Dexter anyway, lol.

[identity profile] queen-insane.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Oh dude that was you? I loved that question.

[identity profile] crimsonkitty88.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
YES.

[identity profile] crimsonkitty88.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
FOR THE RECORD YOU SHOULD ALWAYS AGREE WITH ME.

:DDDDDDD

[identity profile] foolishcalling.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously? WATCH MOAR. Season Four is pretty darn amazing, esp. with John Lithgow. Am really liking season five right now, too.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
No, it wasn't! Not on the meme originally, at least. But I was so intrigued I snagged it to ask others, lol.

[identity profile] foolishcalling.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
LOL. Noted. XD

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:48 am (UTC)(link)
INDEED.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, I knowwwww. Brett watched it all on his own and I caught pieces but I just couldn't be bothered with the whole thing. I think it'll be one of those shows I watch in its entirety in like 3 days when it finally ends.

[identity profile] foolishcalling.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
But its so worth it! Plus, the way its going, its not going to end any time soon (touch wood!). You gotta get in on that bitch now, muthafucker. XD

[identity profile] queen-insane.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
Ohhhhhhh okay.

Well w/e I loved that question.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
UGH, OKAYYYYYYYYYYY

[identity profile] salty-catfish.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, especially regarding all the mythology stuff they are throwing at us. I couldn't care less about Angel Wars.
I want that fic, too! This season has a lot of potential for good porn so far. I'm counting on you, fandom.
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[identity profile] viridian-magpie.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
*throws in a No*

Sam still feels, imo. When Cas asked him how he felt, he answered "I don't know", which isn't the same as "nothing". I've talked about this at greater length here I think he still feels things, but lacks the necessary tool (the soul) to interpret these things and to automatically come up with the "right" response.


Also, I like this scenario (6.06 coda), too. Someone needs to request this on the kinkmeme.

[identity profile] foolishcalling.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
Also, just saw the new header. I APPROVE. <3333

[identity profile] haruslex.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
I keep expecting to see pavlov porn where Dean tries to train Sam into having feelings by rewarding him with sex. XDD I mean, I don't really move in wincest circles but I'm surprised it hasn't popped up on the supernaturalfic comm. Huh.

Anyway, I don't really know much about Dexter but I like your thoughts.

OMEGLE OMG I keep running into spn folk and having awesome cracked out roleplays. HELLO MY NEW FAVOURITE WAY TO WASTE TIME!
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[identity profile] lessrest.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know what I think of Sam possibly being Dexter, but Dean as Deb is making me laugh my ass off. xD

[identity profile] shiplessheathen.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a very interesting theory. It's a different comparison, but I think it makes some sense. Maybe Sam is a little like Dexter was in season one. Going through the motions, not really feeling anything.

I agree that we should be focusing on more of the psychological on the show. Supernatural is never good at that.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-09 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Thankeee. Haha, I was trying to fix the whole layout up while I was commenting to you. So yeah,, brand new layout too!

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Haha. The angels were a cool addition, yada yada, but they've had their time, TAKE THEM BACK.

It does have good potential for porn, and yet I've seen such a small amount of season six fic. Boo.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, you make a good point. This whole 'without a soul' business is very very tricky. Buffy handled souls more like consciousness so it was pretty cut dry good/bad. But Sam's still good, but yeah, I suppose, he just doesn't know what's a proper response.

I haven't looked at the kinkmeme in awhile. Do people still request normal things there or is it all bestie and mpreg now? lol.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
HAHA, you should write it. XD

I'm not actually sure I've seen one whole season of Dexter, lol, but I've seen enough to get a feel for the guy, I suppose.

IT IS SUCH A TIME SUCK HOMG. I used to play around on it a few years ago when ontd_startrek was still fun and had omegle days but it's been forever and homg THERE ARE SO MANY SPN FOLK right now. I think it's because tumblr's been doing this whole 'TAKE OVER OMEGLE' shit or whatever I kept seeing it all over my dash this weekend, so there were more fans on it than normal. Though I do still run into them now and again.

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAHA, WELLLLLLLL. Who else is he supposed to be, Doakes? XD

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
It is a little out there. And yeah, definitely season one (as it's the season I've seen the most of, lol) was what I had in mind.

You know though, that's probably best. I'm afraid they'd trip themselves up even more than they do normally because they rush the research or, don't do ANY, so they'd get the psychology all wrong and then it'd just be annoying.
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[identity profile] viridian-magpie.livejournal.com 2010-11-11 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Last time I was there, there were still some normal prompts. Mind that was in September, I think. *g*

[identity profile] alwaysenduphere.livejournal.com 2010-11-12 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Haha I just realized the ridiculousness of what I asked, too. Normal on the kink meme, lol. I think Sept. was when I was last there, as well.